Question/Answer about SALAT

Q: Are you denier of verse 77:47-48 where it said to them bow down they will not bow down

Ans:

Salaa’m, do you mean to bow down by bending body down? Is it to do on a bed or on the ground? Body bending in sitting or standing? After you bend your body down then what to do? How long to keep your body bending? I can find all these answers in the Persian men’s Kutub-al-Sitttah and their subservient mullahs fiqhs and dogmas. Would you do the same? Or to evade preloaded conception from these manmade dogmas, would you then do some patchwork from here and there scatteredly found in the Quran in respective context? Has God given any authority to make: solaa’t + suju’d + tasbih creating 3-in-1 as a single set of duty on the prayer mat following one’s own whim?

Where is your proof? Who has told you this? Is it said by God? If you say, yes God said it and it is God’s verdict, I would then ask you as the Messenger of God asked his people, when he had heard a verdict as you say here:

[Quran 2:111] ….”Produce your proof, if you are truthful.

“هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ – 2:111[Q. 21:24] “

Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say, … “PRODUCE YOUR PROOF. —–THIS IS THE MESSAGE for those with me and the message of those before me.” But most of them do not know the truth, so they are turning away

.أَمِ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ مِن دُونِهِۦٓ ءَالِهَةًۭ ۖ قُلْ هَاتُوا۟ بُرْهَـٰنَكُمْ ۖ هَـٰذَا ذِكْرُ مَن مَّعِىَ وَذِكْرُ مَن قَبْلِى ۗ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ ٱلْحَقَّ ۖ فَهُم مُّعْرِضُونَ

[Quran 37-154-157] “What is with you? How do you make a judgement? Then will you not be reminded? Or do you have a clear authority? Then produce your book, if you should be truthful.

مَا لَكُمْ كَيْفَ تَحْكُمُونَ – 37:154

أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ – 37:155

أَمْ لَكُمْ سُلْطَانٌ مُّبِينٌ – 37:156فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابِكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ – 37:157

As you say — “only prostrate in salat” — Please say according to which verse in the Quran? in which verses in the Quran, God has commanded to do suju’d in the solaa’t?

Q 2:43 establish the prayer and give zakat and bow down with those who bow down.

Ans: In Q. 2:43, has God mentioned the words sujud and tasbih in this verse to conjoin with solaa’t? Q. 2:43:

وَأَقِيمُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ — Organise solaa’t وَءَاتُوا۟ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ — and maintain purity وَٱرْكَعُوا۟ مَعَ ٱلرَّٰكِعِينَ — and be humble with those who are humble It is meant to be humble with those who are humble in organising solaa’t and in maintaining purity.

Q : it says clearly Es’solaata fajar, isha 24:58, and es’ solaata wusta 2:238 .

Ans: In both 24:58 and 2:238, God has not mentioned the words solaa’t and tasbih to conjoin with solaa’t. Correct me please if it is not correct.

Q :  3:43 prostrating with the prostrate.  What is the meaning of prostration here.  And in what sense I will consider the prostration of those with whom I have been told to prostrate? 

Ans: In Q. 3:43, Marry was not told to do suju’d in the solaa’t. Note, God has not mentioned the word solaa’t in this verse. Correct me if it is not correct. She simply commanded to submit to God’s commands and be humble with those who were humble.  The verses say and express as you quote and I submit unconditionally with my humility on these verses as they express.

However, I repeat my proposition to show me that in any of these verses, God has ever mentioned, solaa’t, suju’d and tasbih together to be conjoined as a single task?   Q. 4:102. Please have a look at a contextual translation as below: “And when YOU (singular) are AMONG THEM, YOU uphold THE COMMUNICATION (ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ) for THEM ( لَهُمُ), then let there stand a number of THEM with YOU (singular) and let THEM carry THEIR ARMS. And when THEY have SUBMITTED (sajadu سَجَدُوا۟), let THEM be behind YOU (plural) and have other numbers come forward who have not COMMUNICATED (yu-sollu’ يُصَلُّوا۟) and let THEM COMMUNICATE with YOU (singular), taking precautions and carrying THEIR ARMS. Those who reject/disbelieve wish that YOU (plural) would neglect YOUR (plural) ARMS and YOUR (plural) EQUIPMENT so THEY could come down upon YOU (plural) in one assault. But there is no blame upon YOU (plural), if YOU (plural)are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down YOUR ARMAS, but take precaution. Surely, God has prepared for the rejecters/disbelievers a humiliating punishment. وَإِذَا كُنتَ فِيهِمْ فَأَقَمْتَ لَهُمُ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ فَلْتَقُمْ طَآئِفَةٌۭ مِّنْهُم مَّعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُوٓا۟ أَسْلِحَتَهُمْ فَإِذَا سَجَدُوا۟ فَلْيَكُونُوا۟ مِن وَرَآئِكُمْ وَلْتَأْتِ طَآئِفَةٌ أُخْرَىٰ لَمْ يُصَلُّوا۟ فَلْيُصَلُّوا۟ مَعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُوا۟ حِذْرَهُمْ وَأَسْلِحَتَهُمْ ۗ وَدَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ لَوْ تَغْفُلُونَ عَنْ أَسْلِحَتِكُمْ وَأَمْتِعَتِكُمْ فَيَمِيلُونَ عَلَيْكُم مَّيْلَةًۭ وَٰحِدَةًۭ ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ إِن كَانَ بِكُمْ أَذًۭى مِّن مَّطَرٍ أَوْ كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَن تَضَعُوٓا۟ أَسْلِحَتَكُمْ ۖ وَخُذُوا۟ حِذْرَكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْكَـٰفِرِينَ عَذَابًۭا مُّهِينًۭا Please tell me: (1) When the Messenger was told to uphold solaa’t for those who were in conflict, did he have to do SUJJODI (in your wording)? (2) When a group completed SUJJODI and stayed behind waiting when the Messenger was doing the same solaa’t with other groups, did the Messenger perform sujud on such a solaa’t meeting by placing his head falling on the ground? (3) As the 1st group stayed at his behind, it appears that he had to face another new group, meaning those who did suju’d had to do that facing the Messenger whilst he (the Messenger) was standing, had not they? (4) The fact is that the groups were told to hold their swords, spears and shields in an alert. Then how did they fall in prostration on the ground facing the Messenger with having to hold heavy armour on their hands? Please read God’s verses according to the context, background, place and time as God has presented in the Quran.” ——————————————————– Yet, you have made some harsh words alleging that I cuss out people concerning the reading of the Quran. Please, sister, re-read our discourse, and find out a single word, by which you could substantiate your fanciful allegation. Well, I ignore these unnecessary words, because we are in a meaningful discussion to go ahead. So, before I lay out my observation on Q. 5:6 (as that would be a bit lengthy and time consuming), please tell me where God has said that we need to chant ﷽ Bismi-A/Ellah-Al/r-Rahman-Al/r-Rahim? Q. 6:118, 6:121, simply told the audience to eat and not to eat on which God’s name was not taken or remembered. I remember God when I eat in being grateful. I do not find an organiser to organise ritualistic chanting to remember God. I know my Lord — HE is closure to me than my Jugular vain (Q. 50:16) — HE can hear every beat that my heart beats in every second. I do not need to be patronised by a ritualistic chanting in remembering my Lord. Q. 16:98, simply recommending seeking refuge from Satan’s diversion when we read the Quran. So, I do that and seek God’s shelter from the Satan, so that my heart remains sincere and upright from the preloaded conceptions that have been implanted by the Satan. For that, do I have to chant a fixed ritualistic liturgy? According to Quran, I don’t! . Where has God stated the liturgy أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم as people chant before reading the Quran? I can see Q. 23:97-98 teaches me to seek refuge and protection from the Satan every time, which is not limited to just reading Quran. So, where do we find the so-called ritual in the Quran other than accepting Sunni dogmas? [As for 5:6, I will revert back with my observation refuting the claim of ritual washing, God willing].   In Q. 76:26, has God mentioned the word solaa’t? If not what is the authority one might have to procure a preloaded presumption?

You can do suju’d and sabbih in the night according to your means, but where is the word solaa’t here in this verse to stitch together with suju’d and tasbih? Please say, in which verses in the Quran, God has commanded to do suju’d in the solaa’t?

it is your choice without having a clear knowledge from God, you can keep establishing solaa’t on the ground (please see: Q, 17:36) So, as you say, —–“we stand recite the Qur’an kneel prostrate and praise and glorify (Tasbih glorify and praise God)” ——–Please say, according to which verse in the Quran? Has God given any authority to do any such patchwork to pick and stitch words from here and there in many many verses in the Quran relying on presumption and conjecture (see: 25:43) to manufacture a preloaded ritual like other fellow religionists (please see: Q. 6:148, 53:28)? Where is your proof? [Quran 2:111] ….”Produce your proof, if you are truthful.” هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ – 2:111 [Quran 37-154-157] “What is with you? How do you make a judgement? Then will you not be reminded? Or do you have a clear authority? Then produce your book, if you should be truthful. مَا لَكُمْ كَيْفَ تَحْكُمُونَ – 37:154 أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ – 37:155أَمْ لَكُمْ سُلْطَانٌ مُّبِينٌ – 37:156فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابِكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ – 37:157   Also, please show me a verse in this list where God has mentioned solaa’t. suju’d & tasbih together as a single task.  

Q: Three times in the Quran were emphasized time and time again…11:114 “ and establish the prayer at the two ends of the day and of the night…”76:25-26:”And glorify the name of your Lord 👉morning👈 and 👉evening👈. And at night, Prostrate yourself to Him, and glorify Him throughout a long 👉night👈.17:78-79” establish the prayer at the setting of the sun to the last twilight (before nightfall) and the recitation of the Quran at dawn: for behold, the Qur’an of dawn is indeed witnessed :. and in the night recite the Qur’an ( nāfilata-laka ) perhaps your Lord will resurrect you in a commendable station”50:39-40:”So bear with what they say, and celebrate the praise of your Lord before the 👉rising of the sun👈 and before 👉the setting👈. And glorify Him in the 👉night👈 and after prostration.”The Quran – salat – remembrance – praising and glorifying ( Tasbih ) – praying… These are all related synonyms. Also see these verses
“62:9:” ”7:205:””24:36” ”6:52:”18:28″”3:41:””38:18:””40:55:”50:39″ 5:6 ” 20:12 “2:125, “3:39 ” 29:45″17:110 “17:111″2:43 “2:45”

Ans:

Please show me the words rukka or sujud in these verses. Has God said to bending one’s body in these instances ? In Q. 17:109 do you find the word solaa’t? Have you ever tried to fall on your chin? Before trying to copy, please make sure an ambulance is around lest getting injured. Where is the word suju’d and tasbih in these verses? Have you found any verses in the whole Quran, save Q. 4:102, where God ever mentioned and added suju’d and tasbih with the Solaa’t?

If not, under what sulta’n/authority, anyone can add, in a patchwork, solaa’t, suju’d & tasbih to amalgamate 3 duties God has given separately as distinct from each other into one single unified duty in prayer on a prayer-mat on the floor of the ground”.

Q: What about verses 68:42-43, 26: 218

Ans:

Is there the word solaa’t in these verses? If not. then under what God’s authority one can implant solaa’t with suju’d? Q. 62:9, the word sujud is not mentioned? Do you incline to implant the duty of suju’d with solaa’t? The word solaa’t in various derivatives is found in 99 verses — nowhere you can find the word suju’d. In nearly 50-60 verses suju’d is mentioned — nowhere you can find the word solaa’t. Nearly, 80 -90 verses tasbih is mentioned — nowhere you can find solaa’t is mentioned. God has not prescribed these three duties as a single act 3-in-1, it was the biblical mullahs and other associate Persian hadith manufacturers who made this ritual prayer on a prayer mat adding solaat+sujud+tasbih to discharge in performance on ritual prayer mat after ritual wash.

You can continue doing patchwork on God’s verses to create a neo-religious rite and ritual being modified or modernised as distinct from those who perform forefathers’ rituals according to the Persian hadith and dogmas.

Reply I receive from the Sunni hadith followers, relying on Q, 4:102 as the last straw apologetically to cling on to the forefathers’ preloaded rituals in a patchwork – filling a zig-zag puzzle – placing the preoccupied ritual programme form various derivatives of solaa’t as scattered in 99 verses throughout the Quran. And In the end, the Sunnis become self-content in being self-righteous, saying eureka – got the ritual programme in the Quran!

The post on the title expresses the same situation where some Quran followers, whilst rejecting the hadith literature, clinging on to the same rituals as the Sunnis do in a modified form and then feel self-content and self-righteous. Thus, they replace 5 times to 2/3 times, and even they themselves are in dispute whether it is 2 times or 3 times. Even those who maintain a 3 times set of rituals are in dispute on solaa’t-al-wusta that to perform at noon or not, whilst others claim a night solaa’t ritual in the night according to Chapter 73 of the Quran. Look at the fractions and fractions are getting generated in rituals to uphold.

Thereafter, this neo-ritualist programme is set to replace Sunni set of units of physical rotation (rakka), limiting into 1 or 2 units in any timely solaa’t ritual session — and then, modify it in some internal liturgies determined by their choice — picking some hints up from some verses (e.g. Q, 17:110) — making God’s words in the Quran as a liturgy like Sunnis or Christians on a Sunday prayer in a Church. So, the underlying question is that if Sunnis abandon shirk in their 5 times rituals in their many more units, what difference the neo-ritual programme could make?

Well, let’s come back to Q. 4:102. Please have a look at a contextual translation as below:

[Quran 4:102] “And when YOU (singular) are AMONG THEM, YOU uphold THE COMMUNICATION (ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ) for THEM ( لَهُمُ), then let there stand a number of THEM with YOU (singular) and let THEM carry THEIR ARMS. And when THEY have SUBMITTED (sajadu سَجَدُوا۟), let THEM be behind YOU (plural) and have other numbers come forward who have not COMMUNICATED (yu-sollu’ يُصَلُّوا۟) and let THEM COMMUNICATE with YOU (singular), taking precautions and carrying THEIR ARMS. Those who reject/disbelieve wish that YOU (plural) would neglect YOUR (plural) ARMS and YOUR (plural) EQUIPMENT so THEY could come down upon YOU (plural) in one assault. But there is no blame upon YOU (plural), if YOU (plural)are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down YOUR ARMAS, but take precaution. Surely, God has prepared for the rejecters/disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

وَإِذَا كُنتَ فِيهِمْ فَأَقَمْتَ لَهُمُ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ فَلْتَقُمْ طَآئِفَةٌۭ مِّنْهُم مَّعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُوٓا۟ أَسْلِحَتَهُمْ فَإِذَا سَجَدُوا۟ فَلْيَكُونُوا۟ مِن وَرَآئِكُمْ وَلْتَأْتِ طَآئِفَةٌ أُخْرَىٰ لَمْ يُصَلُّوا۟ فَلْيُصَلُّوا۟ مَعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُوا۟ حِذْرَهُمْ وَأَسْلِحَتَهُمْ ۗ وَدَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ لَوْ تَغْفُلُونَ عَنْ أَسْلِحَتِكُمْ وَأَمْتِعَتِكُمْ فَيَمِيلُونَ عَلَيْكُم مَّيْلَةًۭ وَٰحِدَةًۭ ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ إِن كَانَ بِكُمْ أَذًۭى مِّن مَّطَرٍ أَوْ كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَن تَضَعُوٓا۟ أَسْلِحَتَكُمْ ۖ وَخُذُوا۟ حِذْرَكُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْكَـٰفِرِينَ عَذَابًۭا مُّهِينًۭا

Please tell me:

(1) When the Messenger was told to uphold solaa’t for those who were in conflict, did he have to do SUJJODI (in your wording)?

(2) When a group completed SUJJODI and stayed behind waiting when the Messenger was doing the same solaa’t with other groups, did the Messenger perform sujud on such a solaa’t meeting by placing his head falling on the ground?

(3) As the 1st group stayed at his behind, it appears that he had to face another new group, meaning those who did suju’d had to do that facing the Messenger whilst he (the Messenger) was standing, had not they?

(4) The fact is that the groups were told to hold their swords, spears and shields in an alert. Then how did they fall in prostration on the ground facing the Messenger with having to hold heavy armor on their hands?

Please read God’s verses according to the context, background, place and time as God has presented in the Quran. Only that would lead us to the Quran alone submitters to God alone. 

There are 99 verses for solaa’t. there are almost 90 verses on sujud, and there almost 60-70 verses relate to tasbih. But no where God gave them together to patch as a zigzag.

Whichever way submit or prostrate and whichever way you glorify God (tasbih) that is up to an individual. The question is whether God have an authority to add all of them on prayer mat.